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Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.24 08:42:00 - [1] I am not a lawyer but... isn't opt out illegal in Europe? One of the few things that help keep my sanity is that we are not force-opt-abused like Americans are. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.24 09:05:00 - [2] I HATE opt outs, for whatever pretend reason they are presented for. I am filing a petition against forced opt-out to the European Parliament in this moment and asking for a revision of: EU Directive 2002/58/EC Directive 2002/58/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 July 2002 and subsequent Directive 2003/58/EC and Amending Council Directive 68/151/EEC - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.24 09:36:00 - [3] Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 24/05/2010 09:05:51 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 24/05/2010 08:51:31 I am not a lawyer but... isn't opt out illegal in Europe? Iceland isn't in the EU - nor is it likely to be admitted any time in the next decade (despite their target entry date of 2012) as the EU has more than enough fiscal problems ongoing now. They need Iceland like a hole in the head. 1) United Kingdom CCP Games UK PO Box 150 Herschel House 58 Herschel Street Slough Berkshire SL1 1HD4 That's European enough for me. 2) The servers are located in Europe, therefore it's an European affair. 3) Non rogue / illegal non european companies are suggested to adhere to EU laws when dealing with EU citizens. While it may not be obligatory, no international company worth its name that I know have forcibly opted me in something. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.24 10:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Cailais Dear EU, An interwebs game about interwebs spaceships is forcing me to use a spacebook social networkingz site. I dont want my enemies in xXSPACEPIWATESXx to know all about my interwebs spaceship friends as they might find out where my sekrit Player Owned Station is and that the scout in their system (Iamaspy) is actually my sekrit alt. Im sure you will take this very seriously as the internetz spaceships are serious business and I have read some stuff on the interwebs about the law (and stuff). I look forward to your immediate reply and the necessary UN sanctions against the ebil Icelanders. Yours covered in tinfoil, from cloud cuckoo land, Internets Spaceship pew pew pilot. 3 days past patch: "You have 118 messages in the inbox". and off we go with ISK sellers spamming the begeezus, Viagra mongers galore, lotto ads and all kinds of stupidly bothersome spam. Which is exactly what our law covers. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:00:00 - [5] Quote: I didnt say I disagreed with you - merely pointing out that I think its rather unlikely you'll have much joy explaining your case to the EU Had no problem, they even let you use your native tongue. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:06:00 - [6] Quote: I didnt say I disagreed with you - merely pointing out that I think its rather unlikely you'll have much joy explaining your case to the EU Had no issue, they even let me expose my case in my native tongue (since it's in a list of supported ones). - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Hooch Flux Just wondering how anybody is going to clain any privacy issue with a fictional character that you don't own? If you are silly enough to connect your personal (rl) data to any of this then you deserve what you get. Even without resorting to RL data: 1) You are friend with A and B 2) 6 months pass. B litigates with A and joins enemy alliance. 3) Of course of your 50 contacts you have NO game facility to warn you of 2) 4) You magically find yourself boned by B's new alliance members and wonder WTF happened. Ofc you discover it while you were flying your L4 deadspace fit mission boat... Now, you could remove B. Could contact B and even convince him to cease. Too bad, your info now has leaked as is completely in the public domain. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:41:00 - [8] Quote: Simple, don't set anyone +10 unless they are someone you personally know, after all it is just a game. Not like you will lose your job over it or something Of course it never occurred that you could be demanded to set some standings to use some facilities, or that people who setup standings 3 years ago might not know (no notice in game) they are bound to have to reset them. Quote: A simpler solution is to log in to EVEGate once, turn off all sharing, and never use it again. Of course we are all meant to wake up in the middle of the night, in the hotel 500 miles off home to be _1st_ to log in after the server comes back up after the patch to disable sharing and avoid the spiders to gather the data in the first minutes, right? - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.24 21:44:00 - [9] Quote: So, what law school did you go to? The 4chan Institute of Legal Studies? No, never been in your alliance. Quote: Facebook essentially did that by allowing friends to see basically "all" your information that you put on it (I recently deactivated my account because of recent issues). I think CCP is trying to do the same thing...which although I see workarounds by changing standings, it's not really for EVE. I know CCP is trying hard to get people to use it, and hopefully they will listen to some of the feedback and offer ways to secure your information. CCP should: 1) Read the worldwide wall of flames off prominent information sites (IE ZDNet) thrown on Facebook's "fancy" privacy concept and how Facebook owners are being pushed into improving privacy over there. 2) Make the product so good that everyone want to use it, not ninja force people into it, without them even knowing they are. 3) At least send an in game warning about the implications of EvE Gate and how to opt out of it. It still kicks military / months off people in the groin, but at least it saves many others. I of course already reset everything but I am thinking for the others, those (and I have a dozen EvE friends in the situation) who won't have a chance to fix their stuff as ATM they can't play, much less read the forum. Quote: VV, you don't have a legal leg to stand on. You don't own anything, and the game is provided as a service. You opted in by paying your subscription and/or buying the game. "Exceptions: A business relationship in which contact information was obtained constitutes prior consent as long as a means to opt out was provided at the same time and continues to be provided with each such message and each message is about similar products or services by the same company" Quote: You don't own anything, and the game is provided as a service I also don't own anything in my WEB based email, it's also provided as a service, yet I am protected on it. Most of all - and in my country this is continuously used to void shady contracts (I don't know the proper English words :S) - is the factual effect. Do I - not as avatar, but the real me - get harassed by an unsolicited "Buy Cialis" e-mail? Yes. Do I - not as avatar, but the real me - get harassed by an unsolicited "Buy ISK" in game mail (caused by a data mining bot run at "EvE Gate day zero"? Yes. I don't own anything in both, I get the same effect in both and I get the harassing effect on me, the RL dude not an avatar. I still pretend I am in my property. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.25 07:56:00 - [10] Quote: Mkay, so when i play EvE now, i use Teamspeak for corp/alliance, Ventrilo for RL buddies, 2 channels on irc for corp/alliance, and 2 channels on another irc server for RL buddies, MSN is running in the background, and dotlan maps on a laptop. And one forum for corp, and one for alliance. And now evegate also? How social do i need to be? TBH when I was in IT Alliance I kept asking myself why we'd need to use 10000000 chats, IRC and whatever just to do what we did till 1 week before joining IT but with just _2_ chats. Quote: Oh come the ** on man. There's a little bit of a difference between your friends knowing who your other friends are and them publishing chat logs. Yeah, the bit is about leaking to "friends or friends" what alts you use to fly JFs and the likes. Hardly relevant. Quote: Also where do I say I am quiting? I noticed how for some people you are not meant to be free, nor to have an opinion deviating from the "groupthink right opinion". If you do, you are meant to quit and / or do seppuku. Quote: It's...a...game And? Do principles change just because applied to less important things? When you get the Cialis e-mail it's... a... email. When you get the Cialis SMS / phone call it's... a... call. What evil can do an email or a SMS? Little? Regardless, some countries have laws dealing even with these things. Are those laws overkill? Maybe, but they are still here. Quote:** Regarding the possible amendments to the EULA in every major patch or expansion CCP have given players the option to refuse or agree to it both when you install the patch and login the first time after installation I don't see them not doing the same this time around In theory, if I refuse the EULA (that WILL be shown and required to be "signed") I should become unable to further play the game (fair) but as consequence of the denial, the new unsolicited features should not be activated either. Wanna bet with me that this won't be the case? - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:19:00 - [11] Quote: Talking about crawlers and spiders is bull...'droppings' as well... did you set them to +10? Yes? well tough luck, apparently the one you've trusted enough to give +10 standings wasn't too trustworthy after all. Your lack of consideration for the principle of priority of customers privacy (however minimal the effects are) is appalling. Voted Bush? You could not even use some facilities without +10 standings. It was also quite hard to even see those outside the old address book who got standings in years of playing. When one goes from multiple 0.0 to low sec corps and back - and on several accounts - the amount of "garbage" builds up very fast. People already got an hard bone with their supercaps getting in probe space, it was not necessary to also broadcast their out of corp-yet-ble JF / mission alts at the same time. Furthermore, while I reset standings before the expansion, there are thousands out in the military or who just are not forum trolls who had no chance to even know about this genius opt out. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz

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